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They + are also somewhat bigger than necessary. + So, as one of the last few users of Xvesa, we're announcing a fork of + xorg-server-1.2.0. It's been updated to build in a current environment, + had everything unnecessary stripped, and some custom tweaks for + user-friendliness and faster startup. + Compared to the existing ~700kb 32-bit binaries, these are ~500kb when + built with -Os, while at the same time supporting much more + functionality (15 extensions vs 8, DPMS among the most important). + Clone with "git clone [34]http://git.tinycorelinux.net/tinyx" to try it + out. Packages may be updated into the next (or next+1) release. + Or grab a release tarball from + [35]http://www.tinycorelinux.net/~curaga/tinyx-1.0rc1.tar.bz2 for an + easier build. + Test packages available at [36]http://tinycorelinux.net/~curaga/ + « Last Edit: December 13, 2013, 06:35:43 AM by curaga » + Logged + The only barriers that can stop you are the ones you create yourself. + __________________________________________________________________ + +Offline [37]gerald_clark + + * TinyCore Moderator + * Hero Member + * * * * * * + * + * Posts: 4254 + * + +[38]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork + + « Reply #1 on: November 30, 2013, 08:40:50 AM » + How about some instructions. + I loaded compiletc, autoconf, perl5, automake, libtool, and gettext. + I still can't get it to compile under Core 5. + Logged + __________________________________________________________________ + +Offline [39]curaga + + * Administrator + * Hero Member + * * * * * * + * + * Posts: 10922 + * + +[40]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork + + « Reply #2 on: November 30, 2013, 10:10:01 AM » + Sure, I think you're missing the X headers - Xorg-7.7-dev should do. + libtool-dev is also needed to generate the configure script. + The autofoo are only needed for git builds, for (future) release + tarballs only compiletc + Xorg-7.7-dev are enough. + edit: Added libXfont-dev as Xorg-dev's dep. + « Last Edit: November 30, 2013, 10:11:41 AM by curaga » + Logged + The only barriers that can stop you are the ones you create yourself. + __________________________________________________________________ + +Offline [41]Zendrael + + * Sr. Member + * * * * * + * + * Posts: 360 + * + + [42]Zendrael's home of projects + +[43]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork + + « Reply #3 on: December 01, 2013, 01:33:48 PM » + Very nice! + Will get some tcz on the repo soon? There are already some "benchmarks" + against the Xvesa? The tinyX will suport more resolutions? Support for + Xcompmanger? + Thanks! + Logged + __________________________________________________________________ + +Offline [44]tinypoodle + + * Hero Member + * * * * * * + * + * Posts: 3857 + * + +[45]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork + + « Reply #4 on: December 01, 2013, 10:23:26 PM » + Interesting news :) + Logged + "Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster." Niklaus Wirth + - A Plea for Lean Software (1995) + __________________________________________________________________ + +Offline [46]curaga + + * Administrator + * Hero Member + * * * * * * + * + * Posts: 10922 + * + +[47]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork + + « Reply #5 on: December 02, 2013, 07:09:47 AM » + TCZ packages will get there in a week or two. + Quote + + There are already some "benchmarks" against the Xvesa? The tinyX + will suport more resolutions? Support for Xcompmanger? + + - benchmarks: the main goal for fbdev and vesa is to be small. They + have no render acceleration, for that, use Xorg. + - more resolutions: this is not possible, as fbdev uses the existing + resolution, and vesa gets the resolutions from your BIOS. + - Xcompmgr: no, composite support is not included. Please use Xorg for + this. + As mentioned in the README, a possible future "Xmodesetting" would be + able to use any resolution, as long as an open KMS kernel driver + existed in graphics-KERNEL.tcz. However, you can already get the best + resolution by loading graphics- and Xfbdev, so the new server is not a + high priority. + Logged + The only barriers that can stop you are the ones you create yourself. + __________________________________________________________________ + +Offline [48]Misalf + + * Hero Member + * * * * * * + * + * Posts: 1702 + * + +[49]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork + + « Reply #6 on: December 02, 2013, 12:17:55 PM » + With current Xvesa, I can't move windows via mouse (in fluxbox) while + numlock is activated. Could this possibly be fixed with this version? + -- + I tryed compiling both, git and tarball. Both fail to launch for me. + I did load the mentioned extensions for compiling. + Compiler flags as mentioned in wiki. + For the git version, I did first ran autogen.sh . + Code: [50][Select] + $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local + ... + $ make + ... + $ make DESTDIR=/tmp/tinyx install-stripCompiling finishes without + errors. + I did also try make install with sudo but I guess that doesn't make + a difference when 'installing' to /tmp ? + Then I have repacked the current Xvesa.tcz with /usr/local/bin/Xvesa + replaced with that newly created one. + I tryed chown root:staff (like default Xvesa), root:root and + tc:staff on Xvesa before packing. Always same result: + $ startx gives error: "failed in waitforX" + $ Xvesa gives error: "Server must be suid root" + Logged + Download a copy and keep it handy: [51]Core book ;) + __________________________________________________________________ + +Offline [52]tinypoodle + + * Hero Member + * * * * * * + * + * Posts: 3857 + * + +[53]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork + + « Reply #7 on: December 02, 2013, 07:23:29 PM » + What happens when you try to run it as root? + Logged + "Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster." Niklaus Wirth + - A Plea for Lean Software (1995) + __________________________________________________________________ + +Offline [54]Misalf + + * Hero Member + * * * * * * + * + * Posts: 1702 + * + +[55]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork + + « Reply #8 on: December 02, 2013, 10:39:23 PM » + Then it complains about bad resolution and being unable to find fonts - + "fixed" in particular. + Same if I add -screen 1280x1024 + I will test on a clean install later. + Logged + Download a copy and keep it handy: [56]Core book ;) + __________________________________________________________________ + +Offline [57]coreplayer2 + + * Hero Member + * * * * * * + * Posts: 3020 + * + +[58]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork + + « Reply #9 on: December 03, 2013, 12:09:12 AM » + [59]Quote from: Misalf on December 02, 2013, 12:17:55 PM + + With current Xvesa, I can't move windows via mouse (in fluxbox) + while numlock is activated. Could this possibly be fixed with this + version? + + I can't remember off-hand how to resolve this issue but is not related + to Xvesa iirc, strangely i've experienced this before once.. though + haven't had the issue for a while, then today while trying to duplicate + the NumLK/typing/move windows issue with the hope of finding the + resolution, I've gone and activated the feature accidentally. So now + I have the issue where you can either type or you can move windows, but + not both. and i can't remember how I arrived here. Though I believe + this is fluxbox related + Nice work on the Xvesa/Xfbdev, after compiling I noticed that Xfbdev + is half the size of the version it replaces :thumbup: + going to take them both for a spin here if I can regain control of my + keyboard :p + « Last Edit: December 03, 2013, 12:16:13 AM by coreplayer2 » + Logged + __________________________________________________________________ + +Offline [60]tinypoodle + + * Hero Member + * * * * * * + * + * Posts: 3857 + * + +[61]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork + + « Reply #10 on: December 03, 2013, 12:23:11 AM » + [62]Quote from: Misalf on December 02, 2013, 10:39:23 PM + + Then it complains about bad resolution and being unable to find + fonts - "fixed" in particular. + Same if I add -screen 1280x1024 + I will test on a clean install later. + + Try this: + Code: [63][Select] + sudo chmod u+rwxs,a+rx /path/to/Xvesa + Logged + "Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster." Niklaus Wirth + - A Plea for Lean Software (1995) + __________________________________________________________________ + +Offline [64]curaga + + * Administrator + * Hero Member + * * * * * * + * + * Posts: 10922 + * + +[65]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork + + « Reply #11 on: December 03, 2013, 06:44:11 AM » + Sorry about that, my fault in not posting better instructions. + The existing Xvesa had --prefix=/usr, and was later moved to + /usr/local. Per this, the bitmap fonts are in /usr. So the recommended + configure is: + ./configure --with-fontdir=/usr/lib/X11/fonts + This installs to /usr/local but also finds the existing fonts. + Logged + The only barriers that can stop you are the ones you create yourself. + __________________________________________________________________ + +Offline [66]Misalf + + * Hero Member + * * * * * * + * + * Posts: 1702 + * + +[67]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork + + « Reply #12 on: December 03, 2013, 08:13:51 AM » + My first days with tinycore + fluxbox + Xvesa, I thought it would be + unstable until I discovered that I just have to re-deactivate the + numlock in order to move windows. I have qwertzy layout thus I use the + numpad a lot for inserting the '/' character (instead of SHIFT+7). + Under Xorg it works. + -- + Thanks curaga, I'll try that. + Logged + Download a copy and keep it handy: [68]Core book ;) + __________________________________________________________________ + +Offline [69]coreplayer2 + + * Hero Member + * * * * * * + * Posts: 3020 + * + +[70]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork + + « Reply #13 on: December 03, 2013, 09:35:10 AM » + Quote + + ./configure --with-fontdir=/usr/lib/X11/fonts + + Thanks, Ok will also try this (since I appear to have the same issue + with the fonts) + @Misalf I couldn't find which key combo I pressed to change the + NumLK/windows position state from having control to not having any + control, so I rebooted restoring the Fluxbox default configuration and + the numlk window feature is acting normally again in Xvesa. good luck + Logged + __________________________________________________________________ + +Offline [71]Misalf + + * Hero Member + * * * * * * + * + * Posts: 1702 + * + +[72]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork + + « Reply #14 on: December 03, 2013, 10:19:48 AM » + Code: [73][Select] + sudo chmod u+rwxs,a+rx /path/to/XvesaDid not help. + -- + Code: [74][Select] + ./configure --with-fontdir=/usr/lib/X11/fontsNow I'm able to lauch + sudo Xvesa (allone) but startx still doesn't work. + So I edited ~/.xsession to start Xvesa with sudo and this now + results in a seemingly workin X desktop. + Is it OK or even required for Xvesa to be ran as root? + However, after exiting X and running startx again, fluxbox fails to + launch (my conky lives, though). + /tmp/wm_errors + Code: [75][Select] + Error: Couldn't connect to XServer:0.0(Numlock/window-move bug still + there with this Xvesa; 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