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Offline [32]curaga

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[33]Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « on: November 30, 2013, 06:13:57 AM »
   Our current Xvesa and Xfbdev hail from the XFree86 4.8.0 era. Not easy
   to build with a current environment, and so hard to fix bugs in. They
   are also somewhat bigger than necessary.
   So, as one of the last few users of Xvesa, we're announcing a fork of
   xorg-server-1.2.0. It's been updated to build in a current environment,
   had everything unnecessary stripped, and some custom tweaks for
   user-friendliness and faster startup.
   Compared to the existing ~700kb 32-bit binaries, these are ~500kb when
   built with -Os, while at the same time supporting much more
   functionality (15 extensions vs 8, DPMS among the most important).
   Clone with "git clone [34]http://git.tinycorelinux.net/tinyx" to try it
   out. Packages may be updated into the next (or next+1) release.
   Or grab a release tarball from
   [35]http://www.tinycorelinux.net/~curaga/tinyx-1.0rc1.tar.bz2 for an
   easier build.
   Test packages available at [36]http://tinycorelinux.net/~curaga/
   « Last Edit: December 13, 2013, 06:35:43 AM by curaga »
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[38]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « Reply #1 on: November 30, 2013, 08:40:50 AM »
   How about some instructions.
   I loaded compiletc, autoconf, perl5, automake, libtool, and gettext.
   I still can't get it to compile under Core 5.
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[40]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « Reply #2 on: November 30, 2013, 10:10:01 AM »
   Sure, I think you're missing the X headers - Xorg-7.7-dev should do.
   libtool-dev is also needed to generate the configure script.
   The autofoo are only needed for git builds, for (future) release
   tarballs only compiletc + Xorg-7.7-dev are enough.
   edit: Added libXfont-dev as Xorg-dev's dep.
   « Last Edit: November 30, 2013, 10:11:41 AM by curaga »
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[43]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « Reply #3 on: December 01, 2013, 01:33:48 PM »
   Very nice!
   Will get some tcz on the repo soon? There are already some "benchmarks"
   against the Xvesa? The tinyX will suport more resolutions? Support for
   Xcompmanger?
   Thanks!
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[45]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « Reply #4 on: December 01, 2013, 10:23:26 PM »
   Interesting news :)
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[47]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « Reply #5 on: December 02, 2013, 07:09:47 AM »
   TCZ packages will get there in a week or two.
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     There are already some "benchmarks" against the Xvesa? The tinyX
     will suport more resolutions? Support for Xcompmanger?

   - benchmarks: the main goal for fbdev and vesa is to be small. They
   have no render acceleration, for that, use Xorg.
   - more resolutions: this is not possible, as fbdev uses the existing
   resolution, and vesa gets the resolutions from your BIOS.
   - Xcompmgr: no, composite support is not included. Please use Xorg for
   this.
   As mentioned in the README, a possible future "Xmodesetting" would be
   able to use any resolution, as long as an open KMS kernel driver
   existed in graphics-KERNEL.tcz. However, you can already get the best
   resolution by loading graphics- and Xfbdev, so the new server is not a
   high priority.
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[49]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « Reply #6 on: December 02, 2013, 12:17:55 PM »
   With current Xvesa, I can't move windows via mouse (in fluxbox) while
   numlock is activated. Could this possibly be fixed with this version?
   --
   I tryed compiling both, git and tarball. Both fail to launch for me.
   I did load the mentioned extensions for compiling.
   Compiler flags as mentioned in wiki.
   For the git version, I did first ran  autogen.sh .
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   $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
   ...
   $ make
   ...
   $ make DESTDIR=/tmp/tinyx install-stripCompiling finishes without
   errors.
   I did also try  make install  with  sudo  but I guess that doesn't make
   a difference when 'installing' to /tmp ?
   Then I have repacked the current Xvesa.tcz with  /usr/local/bin/Xvesa
   replaced with that newly created one.
   I tryed  chown root:staff (like default Xvesa), root:root  and
   tc:staff  on Xvesa before packing. Always same result:
   $ startx  gives error: "failed in waitforX"
   $ Xvesa  gives error: "Server must be suid root"
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[53]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « Reply #7 on: December 02, 2013, 07:23:29 PM »
   What happens when you try to run it as root?
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[55]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « Reply #8 on: December 02, 2013, 10:39:23 PM »
   Then it complains about bad resolution and being unable to find fonts -
   "fixed" in particular.
   Same if I add  -screen 1280x1024
   I will test on a clean install later.
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[58]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « Reply #9 on: December 03, 2013, 12:09:12 AM »
   [59]Quote from: Misalf on December 02, 2013, 12:17:55 PM

     With current Xvesa, I can't move windows via mouse (in fluxbox)
     while numlock is activated. Could this possibly be fixed with this
     version?

   I can't remember off-hand how to resolve this issue but is not related
   to Xvesa iirc,   strangely i've experienced this before once..   though
   haven't had the issue for a while, then today while trying to duplicate
   the NumLK/typing/move windows issue with the hope of finding the
   resolution, I've gone and activated the feature accidentally.   So now
   I have the issue where you can either type or you can move windows, but
   not both. and i can't remember how I arrived here.  Though I believe
   this is fluxbox related
   Nice work on the Xvesa/Xfbdev,  after compiling I noticed that Xfbdev
   is half the size of the version it replaces  :thumbup:
   going to take them both for a spin here if I can regain control of my
   keyboard  :p
   « Last Edit: December 03, 2013, 12:16:13 AM by coreplayer2 »
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[61]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « Reply #10 on: December 03, 2013, 12:23:11 AM »
   [62]Quote from: Misalf on December 02, 2013, 10:39:23 PM

     Then it complains about bad resolution and being unable to find
     fonts - "fixed" in particular.
     Same if I add  -screen 1280x1024
     I will test on a clean install later.

   Try this:
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   sudo chmod u+rwxs,a+rx /path/to/Xvesa
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[65]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « Reply #11 on: December 03, 2013, 06:44:11 AM »
   Sorry about that, my fault in not posting better instructions.
   The existing Xvesa had --prefix=/usr, and was later moved to
   /usr/local. Per this, the bitmap fonts are in /usr. So the recommended
   configure is:
   ./configure --with-fontdir=/usr/lib/X11/fonts
   This installs to /usr/local but also finds the existing fonts.
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[67]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « Reply #12 on: December 03, 2013, 08:13:51 AM »
   My first days with tinycore + fluxbox + Xvesa, I thought it would be
   unstable until I discovered that I just have to re-deactivate the
   numlock in order to move windows. I have qwertzy layout thus I use the
   numpad a lot for inserting the  '/'  character (instead of SHIFT+7).
   Under Xorg it works.
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   Thanks curaga, I'll try that.
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[70]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « Reply #13 on: December 03, 2013, 09:35:10 AM »
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     ./configure --with-fontdir=/usr/lib/X11/fonts

   Thanks, Ok will also try this (since I appear to have the same issue
   with the fonts)
   @Misalf  I couldn't find which key combo I pressed to change the
   NumLK/windows position state from having control to not having any
   control, so I rebooted restoring the Fluxbox default configuration and
   the numlk window feature is acting normally again in Xvesa.  good luck
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[72]Re: Announcing tinyx - our X server fork

   « Reply #14 on: December 03, 2013, 10:19:48 AM »
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   sudo chmod u+rwxs,a+rx /path/to/XvesaDid not help.
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   ./configure --with-fontdir=/usr/lib/X11/fontsNow I'm able to lauch
   sudo Xvesa  (allone) but  startx still doesn't work.
   So I edited  ~/.xsession  to start Xvesa with  sudo  and this now
   results in a seemingly workin X desktop.
   Is it OK or even required for Xvesa to be ran as root?
   However, after exiting X and running  startx  again, fluxbox fails to
   launch (my conky lives, though).
   /tmp/wm_errors
   Code: [75][Select]
   Error: Couldn't connect to XServer:0.0(Numlock/window-move bug still
   there with this Xvesa; but can't test with default fluxbox configs)
   running  startx  for a 3rd time, I also have a wbar.
   --
   [Don't worry guys, i did not backup so I can go back any time][/code]
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